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What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by John on 2/7/2006, 4:37 pm 205.188.116.137 I first want to say that I would have never posted this hear had Norm Sharp not refused to let my questions stay up on his BB. I showed no disrespect to his decision to breed to Aragon. I simply stated that if his position is that Angela is a changed person trying to learn from her mistakes and that her love for the breed has given her the desire to continue breeding, then she should make right all the wrongs she has done to her puppy buyers first to prove she is trying to change. Words mean nothing, actions speak louder than words. Angela has lied over and over, claiming she knew nothing about the EPI before breeding when it has been proven she knew she was breeding a b###h who not only had EPI but came from a long line of EPI affected cci's. Then she tries the contamination story, then when she realizes she has been outed about knowing about the EPI she admits it came from the b###h and those lines. She continued to breed dogs who she knew were producing EPI. Finally she comes "clean" like Norm says but swears she is out of the breed and whatever dogs she has left are pets and will never be bred again. Next newsflash is she lets Norm use Aragon for stud, the same male she swore on this bb would never be bred again. In a strange twist, a new member of Norm's club starts posting as "Patricia" trying to justify breeding Aragon claiming to have Italian contacts and have an offspring of Aragon. Justifying breeding a dog that continuously produced EPI pups over and over, trying to blame the environment (sound familiar) conveniently siting articles that don't discuss the fact that EPI is not environmentally based when you have cases of multiple littermates coming down with EPI like Aragon and Jewels cases, genetic carriers that may be unaffected but can pass on EPI and the fact that even when bred to unrelated females/males AragonJewels have produced EPI over and over therefore the problem is genetic not environmental. You see "Patricia", Norm's new club member is really Angela posting and Norm and his new club have allowed her to lie to the public and post under a fake name to benefit Norm's breeding. So in reality, Angela has not changed. She is still lying, she is still making excuses for the EPI problems she caused, as the worst of all is she is still breeding carriers of the EPI genes. Norm once said on several forums that "IF" Angela took responsibility and cleaned up the mess she made and made good on her contract with her pup buyers he would consider her taking a step in the right direction and allow her to be part of his club. Angela has to date not done any of this. We are still here waiting for our refunds, phone calls, letters, etc. Norm said you get more with honey than vinegar and my response to that is when you can't find the bee neither makes a difference. Funny how Angela can come out of hiding for a stud fee but not to help her puppy buyers who she conned. So buyer beware, beware of Norm's club, the whole situation because I highly doubt Norm will be honest with his pup buyers about Aragon producing EPI over and over just by the fact that he is covering up for Angela posting as Patricia. You see as long as Angela helps Norm justify the breeding, he will tolerate all her bad dealings, because it benefits him and to hell with the Corso future and the buyers. So please put the word out Angela is back with a new partner - Norm Sharp and his club is responsible for her dishonest postings as Patrica.

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by More Info on 2/7/2006, 5:33 pm, in reply to " What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139348227.html>" 85.195.123.22 Well if you have ever followed Norm's posting, his recent post on his board is a good laugh. "Working with OVC (Guelph) Posted by President on February 7, 2006, 8:55 am In the coming months we will be working more and more with the Ontario Veterinary College (OVC) in Guelph Ontario. OVC has a very good hip screening process but unlike Penn-Hip and OFA Guelph has only a pass or fail system of certification. Either the dog has dysplasia or not. More information for all members will be posted soon on this subject. NS Pres CPCC Hey Norm, here is some news for you. You should have been testing your dogs for the past 9 years, not all of a sudden. And please let's not make it sound more than what it is, you will not be working with Guelph, you will be submitting your x-rays to Guelph for evaluation. Again something that you should have been doing, but never beleived in.

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by attitude on 2/7/2006, 5:44 pm, in reply to " Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139351582.html>" 72.137.144.196 yup

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by Laurie on 2/8/2006, 9:21 am, in reply to " Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139352259.html>" 65.95.104.182 This is taken from another board (hopefully with permission) this is Norms CODE OF (lmao) ETHICS: Prerequisites: The first and foremost consideration should always be the desire to preserve and advance the breed. Every breeding should be done selectively, incorporating: a: Careful analysis of the health and temperament of the sire and dam, including all possible research into their backgrounds and pedigrees. b: The breed standard, the breed's history and function and the basic principles of genetics. c: Ethical breeders should discuss openly and honestly the genetic and physical problems that have occurred in their lines. Stud dogs or brood b###hes who produce offspring of consistently poor quality or with severe genetic problems known to be inherited in this breed are therefore of no value as breeding stock and should not be used again. b: All breeders should be careful in the placement of their stock and should not knowingly deal with unethical persons. An ethical breeder should not sell to nor aid in procuring a Cane Corso for any person who he/she has reason to believe will not provide the proper care and environment, or who may use the dog in any fashion that is detrimental to the breed. c: Any health guarantee should allow the buyer a specified period of time (usually three days to one week) within which to have the puppy examined by a veterinarian of their choice. Health guarantees should be meaningful, keeping in mind that many known breed defects are late-onset with symptoms delayed for several years. Health guarantees should not force a buyer to surrender or euthanize a dog to receive compensation, unless it is clearly in the best interests of the animal, and all parties are agreeable. LIFETIME RESPONSIBILITY A responsible breeder should be willing to take back, rehabilitate (if possible) and re-place in a suitable home any dog he/she has bred and sold when the original purchaser is unable to keep the dog at any time during the dog's lifetime. If an animal is beyond rehabilitation, the breeder should be willing to either advise humane euthanasia or be responsible for such if the owner is unwilling or unable to do so.

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by Norm on 2/8/2006, 10:52 am, in reply to " Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139408490.html>" 69.158.19.220 No you dont have permission to copy anything from my websute, and I have forwarded all the flaming and hatred posts to Boardhost. I would suggest removing all posts with my name on it. I am forwarding this as well to show that I have indeed requested the removal of posts that violate your terms of service with Boardhost. What is happening is without a doubt harrassment and it must cease. This of course, is your decision to make, but I hope I have made myself perfectly clear.

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by Laurie on 2/8/2006, 11:17 am, in reply to " Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139413960.html>" Message modified by administrator WCCIF 2/8/2006, 11:18 am Well Hi, this post was taken from Annie's board and Im sure she doesnt have issue with it, the public deserves to know what your intentions are with Aragorn and this forum along with others (as Im sure you have seen) are the venues in which we choose to air public concern and warn potential owners over what you, Angela and your club have chosen to do. Truth speaks volumes and nothing anyone has posted here is even remotely false or slanderous.

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by Norm on 2/8/2006, 12:04 pm, in reply to " Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139415459.html>" 69.158.19.220 Suit yourself. I did it to Hu and it will happen to you too. If they take a peek its lights out for the working board. One thing they do not tolerate for a second when they know about it is exactly the behavior this forum promotes, hatred, abuse, flaming and harrassment. This forum has no value for its intended purpose and that will quickly become very apparent to Boardhost that its existence is no longer of any value as well. Everytime my name is used in a derogatory and negative way I will contact Boardhost to report a violation of the TOS. Eventually you will be shut down if you dont get a grip. So either clean it up or they will do it for you. <http://images.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.gif> Have a nice day Laurie

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by Annie <mailto:theriault.a@videotron.ca> on 2/8/2006, 12:36 pm, in reply to " Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139413960.html>" 207.236.159.66 Norm, please know that anyone is allowed to post informations on anyone as long as these informations are true. If informations are false, it is call slander and at this moment you can call the police. Link: <http://truth-rustic.forumactif.com>

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Re: What Norm doesn't want you to know Posted by According to Angela on 2/8/2006, 11:54 am, in reply to " What Norm doesn't want you to know <http://members3.boardhost.com/workingcorso/msg/1139348227.html>" 85.195.123.29 Aragorn has not only produced many EPI pups, he has also produced pups with heart problems, causing death in some cases. Aragorn also produced many HD dogs, as well as dogs with bad knees. Yup, sounds like a dog you would want to add to any good breeding program.....NOT!

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Have another one Norm... Obviously Norm doesn't even remember who he sells his dogs to!!! Now he thinks I own one of his dogs!!!
Let's see if he'll take me up on MY offer!!!! Oh I forgot he doesn't like to be played!!! And like he thinks I would go to his house..ya let me bring my own shovel too!!!!

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4kadence Posted: Tue 7 Feb à 20:13 Reply with quote

Yep!! Artimis is Aragorns brother and he is epi. I believe the guys name is
Jeremy Bale. I also know that York dyrium has also produced epi pups and
this was confirmed by the breeder/owner of York (they call him Brutus)
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The response above is from 4kadence. Thank you, for the info.

Curious, if many more of Aragorns mates had/have it too? I am not
surprised at all, curious what the excuse for Aragorn's littermates will
be? More toxic water or are they going to have a "Oh, NO" shocked
response ...

Doubt it ... many of you have heard it before from Angela, now you get
it in Stereo with Norm's version too.

Okay, I seriously got sick to my stomach reading this. The heartache people are willing to put people through, just to produce a good "working" dog? Please... we all know what it's for... the almighty $$$$.

But what did make me laugh was Stano talking about breeding Aragorn to his wonderful Borealis female! LMAO. Borealis eh? They're not held in high regard in the corso community either. I think these people only associate with other shit breeders because none of the good ones want anything to do with them...

And I don't think we need to wonder why that is... as it's pretty obvious.

> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:56:41 -0700
> > > > > From: stan@ultimatek9bodyguards.com
> > > > > Subject: YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME?
> > > > > To: corsifan@hotmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Why don't you say it to my face Cody? I
> > saw the
> > > > email you wrote to the Kuneman's at Amore.
> > You think
> > > > being involved in this breed for the past 10
> > years I
> > > > don't know anybody? You better think again,
> > and you
> > > > better watch what you say. You have no right to
> > say the
> > > > things you did about my breeding practices, or my
> > training.
> > > > You got a problem with me, you say it to my face,
> > otherwise
> > > > I will come and visit you tonight and we can
> > discuss it face
> > > > to face with your husband there!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh and Jason at Chinook Shutzhund, remember
> > I'm
> > > > the one that sent you there, and Canine
> > Correction has not
> > > > seen any of my dogs, so quit telling lies and
> > spreading
> > > > rumors.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's your problem anyway, obviously
> > your a
> > > > newbie to the Corso world, and your jealous of my
> > dogs. I
> > > > put this breed on the map in Western Canada, have
> > bred 60
> > > > pups with no health problems, so I guess thats
> > why you are
> > > > bad mouthing me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I won't say nothing bad or hurt a woman,
> > but my
> > > > wife on the other hand wants too, so I will bring
> > her along
> > > > to make it fair.
> > > > >
> > > > > See you very soon.
> > > >
lol, still at the threats. 3 years later and some things never change I guess...

Oh and don't fear, the whole series of threatening e-mails have been given to the police as an advisory complaint. My address pops up on a call and so does a whole lot of other peoples info. I decided against pressing charges for the time being. But the very helpful officer I spoke to did inform me that I do have awhile to reconsider.