Here's the example of Rhino I was waiting for... Obviously...

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Re: Epilepsy, what is the cause? Posted by Jean on February 6, 2006, 11:45 am, in reply to " Re: Epilepsy, what is the cause? <http://members5.boardhost.com/corsoman/msg/1139241124.html>" Call and speak with the owner of Rhino a Jewels x Aragorn sn who has the worst sezuires seen my many vets that viewed his video of the first 8 hour grand mal this dog had. And now is sezuire free for over a year and has had no medications of any kind since june 2005. Now I also heard the same about a littermate of this litter. Often the medications can carry on the toxins levels as they are truely toxins within themselves. The owners name is Scott Robinson and he lives in Everett Ontario on Concession 3. Look it up and can him speak with his vet she is a epi specialist also.

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Re: Epilepsy, what is the cause? Posted by Jean on February 6, 2006, 11:49 am, in reply to " Re: Epilepsy, what is the cause? <http://members5.boardhost.com/corsoman/msg/1139240695.html>" Patricia would you also ask about the possibility of sperm being effected in males that came from sick litters showing this disease? I own a son of Jewels and he has never shown signs but am curious if his sperm could possibly carry a mutated gene that became mutated from massive amounts of medicatations and bacterias at a very young age.

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Re: Rustic/Big Taurus Posted by Corso Pugliese on 2/6/2006, 11:33 am, in reply to "Rustic/Big Taurus" 85.195.123.29 How can Norm breed his dog to Aragorn? Not just the health issue, but because of his breed. I thought Norm was breeding Corso Pugliese. Aragorn is a Cane Corso Italiano (as norm would put it), with “U shaped lips” and a reverse scissor bite. According to Norm they are different breeds and can't be bred together. Here is what Norm said: "Now the bar is set to distinguish the two breeds apart, Corsos yes, "Canes" yes (dog) but not the same breed. upside down V shaped lips, more of an elongated but still thick face, and scissor bite ect, that is the Corso Pugliese. You cant breed them together and still say its a "Cane Corso". Cant have it both ways.... anymore."

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Re: Rustic/Big Taurus Posted by Kathleen on 2/6/2006, 12:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Rustic/Big Taurus" 68.68.38.182 Suggest that when Mr. Sharp sells his pups, he gives the new owners the http://truth-rustic.forumactif.com/ website address. Some of them will unfortunately need access to this great forum. They and their sweet babies will need the info and support from these wonderful folks. My baby girl will be 2 yrs next month -- from Aragorn x Grace. She has severe hip dysplasia (diagnosed last year), will need hip replacements, and 2 wks ago had her 1st grand mal seizure. Hope these aren't the type of milestones the pups and their owners have in their future.

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Re: Rustic/Big Taurus Posted by Laurie on 2/6/2006, 12:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Rustic/Big Taurus" 65.95.107.194 Kathleen I am sorry your girl had a grand mal...1st 5th or 100th its very hard. I hope your vet is sympathetic and knowledgeable and I wish u both the best of luck. Education is key. And u wont get any from Norm's board..nor will he include in his breeding or non breeding contracts that there may be a likelihood of epi in any of his pups. The potential owners will have to gather their information from Annie's every important site and boards such as this one...again education is key.

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Well now those of u who werent familair with Mr. Sharp now are like an unwelcomed slap in the face he is now trying to peddle his "CORSO PUGLIESE" to anyone nieve anough to listen. The information posted by Patricia who is in all likliehood Angela is false, but many will believe what they have posted regarding epilepsy and its environmental or hereditary history. I seriously doubt Norm will have an epi clause in his breeding/nonbreeding agreement. I seriously doubt they contacted Roberto Poma at Guelph University. Roberto told me and I quote " any dog having epi, having parents or littermates with epi should be altered" thats enough for me, sums it right up. It was only a matter of time before this lethal allegience found each other, together they will ruin this breed. You think Angela alone was a monster...wait and see whats to come, trust me.

A little bird told me that Stan is flying in to take a pup from Norm's litter back home with him.

Most.. they are mean!

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Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders Posted by Stano <mailto:stant@yyc.com> on February 6, 2006, 1:07 pm, in reply to " Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders <http://members.boardhost.com/Charging/msg/1139251437.html>" Why the hell throw my name into this? Because I own a perfectly healthy almost 3yr old Rustic male speciman that was bred to my perfectly healthy outcross female from Borealis, that turned up 9 perfectly healthy pups who are almost 16 months old now? Or is it because you are jealous, that you got an ill dog from Rustic. You don't see me putting you down now do you? It was my choice to breed and thats the bottom line. But now that you want to put a hate on, LETS GO! Like Kim said, I hope you do show up at the Wild West Showdown in Vegas, and confront me with your accusations. If you don't thats okay cuz I know what dog parks you like to hang out at, Golden gate off leash by the beach. Maybe our dogs can hang out? LOL! I'm done talking. See ya in Cali. Stan

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Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders Posted by Kim on February 6, 2006, 12:50 pm, in reply to " Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders <http://members.boardhost.com/Charging/msg/1139251437.html>" Tara do you plan to attend the wild west showdown? I sure hope so after that post.

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Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders Posted by Kim on February 6, 2006, 1:28 pm, in reply to " Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders <http://members.boardhost.com/Charging/msg/1139256478.html>" haha well said Stan. People need to think before they act, or they may end up feeling abit confused like Tara is feeling now. Oh I hope she has enough balls to shpw up a few are just beside themselves with excitement to meet her. Oh you do know what she looks like right? well I will send you a picture just so you know her when you pass by her. lol

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Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders Posted by BOXERDOG on February 6, 2006, 1:31 pm, in reply to " Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders <http://members.boardhost.com/Charging/msg/1139257737.html>" OH CAREFUL NOW SHE WILL CALL THE POLICE. LMAO! TARA YOU ROCK!

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NO BS zone Posted by Karin on February 6, 2006, 1:36 pm, in reply to " Re: Big Taurus/Rustic/Stano's Ultimate- Unethical Breeders <http://members.boardhost.com/Charging/msg/1139256478.html>" you guys need to have this worked out BEFORE either of you come to the event. we are there to work our dogs. period. handle issues elsewhere, the WWS is a nuetral spot. I am tired of the BS that pervades this breed, this event is meant to be positive, and I plan on keeping the environmnet there positve. Bring a healthy sense of competition,and come to meet new people and have fun.

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___Re: Additional Epilepsy Information Posted by President <mailto:president@ccmcc.ca> on February 6, 2006, 3:14 pm, in reply to " Re: Additional Epilepsy Information <http://members5.boardhost.com/corsoman/msg/1139255373.html>" Message modified by board administrator February 6, 2006, 3:15 pm Ken you know the puppy was not "offered to you for free". Turn it down fine but you know why you are entitled to a pup from me. Bee in your bonet again?

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Re: Additional Epilepsy Information Posted by Lee on February 6, 2006, 3:38 pm, in reply to " Re: Additional Epilepsy Information <http://members5.boardhost.com/corsoman/msg/1139256854.html>" So the replacement pup from the litter you offered was NOT free? When were you going to pop the money question to me, when I was there to pick up the pup? Or was that replacement pup suppose to come from another litter? Like I ended the last email ... color me gone! Just remember what you told me about your hopes for Angela's pick ... I won't repeat them but I won't forget them either.

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Re: Epilepsy, what is the cause? Posted by President <mailto:president@ccmcc.ca> on February 6, 2006, 3:16 pm, in reply to " Re: Epilepsy, what is the cause? <http://members5.boardhost.com/corsoman/msg/1139256218.html>" Message modified by board administrator February 6, 2006, 3:17 pm Sue glad to see you jumping in!

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I am so totally distraught after reading all this b.s.

Paint Angela a saint if you wish - she owned up to her mistakes right?

Bull.

If she was this amazing remorseful soul she'd be checking in with EVERY owner she personally screwed - and if there were no money - which we all know there ain't - she'd come with her tail between her legs with a sincere apology.

Fine people make mistakes. Fine people screw innocent people out of money - knowing full well that ANYONE who puts trust within a breeder has a TRUE love for the ANIMAL. But buck up and take responsibility for your bloody actions.

Perhaps Aragorn has no trace of ep - but Angela admitted to me he did, when she "first" (and i use the term loosely as Im sure it wasnt) discovered his litter from Mar 03 had ep.

And even if she couldnt put 2 and 2 together and realize there was a coincidence - instead of apologizing - personally - whole heartedly - she turns and runs the finger at Jen. AND BELIEVE ME - I dont know Jen from a whole in the wall, but she knew about the kennels, her situation and all the rest - long before she voiced ANY concern. It was only after everyone jumped on her,that she threw that one out.

People want to breed Aragorn - go for it. I feel sorry for the potential heartache it could bring - and trust me, Id love to be proven wrong....cause it would mean one more dog doesnt have to endure neurological damage. One more owner does not have to witness this beautiful dogs in pain. One more family wont have to watch them die - slowly.

But the breeders arent there for that - so what do they care.

How do you all sleep at night?

Brakes my fu*@#!% heart. You'll meet your maker one day.

do you have a puppy with epilepsy?

have you ever watched something so devistating as a 100lb HELPLESS animal seize.....?

does your heart brake each time it happens, infront of your children as they cry?

all im saying is - dont give someone so much support - when in turn that same person has relieved herself of any support she personally promised (and im not talking monitary - a good breeder would stand behind her word, contract and promise).

Im not here to throw stones, I just think its real easy for someone who isnt or hasnt been directly affected by this to talk about forgiveness.

Im also not here to complain about Angela - she knows what shes done, and proven herself for what she really is, Im here to figure out how to deal with the effects of ep on my 3 year old dog. Im here for advice, and anything anyone can give me that may have worked for them. The support you are SUPPOSED to get from your breeder.

So dont judge me - cause you havent watched my dog in pain.